[Topic] Injection 4 papillons

[pedro13]

oui et pk il y a un kit pour réduire le diametre??? tout simplement pour accelerer l'ecoulement des fluides, ici de l'air

[TOM]

Enfin réduire réduire, jusqu'à une certaine limite biensur car en fonction du débit d'air circulant, il faut avoir une vitesse limite... Tout ça tu approches par calcul mais l'idéal, c'est la soufflerie

[gtt-forever]

ouais enfin moi je partais du principe que la surface des conduits de la culasse avait été murement choisi par les ingé de chez Renault.

Et par rapport à tous les calculs précédents faut quand même prendre du recul, déjà fait avec ce que tu as ça sera déjà assez démoniaque comme ça. Après si tu as à les moyens et l'envie de te casser la tête sur le diamètre des papillons, les accords acoustiques, longueur de la pipe, l'état de surface... fait-le !!

Et sinon tu peux demander des conseils à cliofab, il a monté une admi 4pap sur son 2l.

@+

[TOM]

Perso, le débit d'air je l'ai, donc j'ai de quoi gaver les gros conduits de la mienne.

[Clio s 02]

Perso, le débit d'air je l'ai, donc j'ai de quoi gaver les gros conduits de la mienne.

Un turbo avec 4 pap

[TOM]

Perso, le débit d'air je l'ai, donc j'ai de quoi gaver les gros conduits de la mienne.

Un turbo avec 4 pap

Skyline GTR RB26 DETT, deux turbo et 6 PAP, Sunny GTIR SR20DET avec 4 pap... Il doit y avoir un gain au niveau du remplissage, @ voir car sur les très grosses prépas il passe en gros mono pap surrêment à cause des gros débits d'air d'un gros mono turbo.

[Clio s 02]

Un turbo avec 4 pap

Skyline GTR RB26 DETT, deux turbo et 6 PAP, Sunny GTIR SR20DET avec 4 pap... Il doit y avoir un gain au niveau du remplissage, @ voir car sur les très grosses prépas il passe en gros mono pap surrêment à cause des gros débits d'air d'un gros mono turbo.

Tu vas tout peter

[swiss champion]

Euh les diamètres des papillons se déterminent pas avec la pipe d'admi mais avec la gourmandise du moteur... soit je dirais 45 pour un ptit 2.0 qui va bien

Je part sur le principe que j'ai 2 conduits et que j'adapte entre les 2. Je vais pas jouer les apprenti sorcier. Les pipes dans le comme sont de toute facon comme ca.

[swiss champion]

Faites vos courses, j'ai deja une petite preference.

SUZUKI

Make/Model: GSXR600
Year: -01
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter: 38mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: GSXR 600
Year: -02
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 38mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 80-80-80mm
Overall Length: 83mm
Outside Diameter (intake): 44mm
Outside Diameter (filter): 45mm
Separate casting: Yes
Injector Make/Model: Keihin KN4, 0J07 AAA A
Flow Rate (45psi/100%): 240cc/min?, 13Ω
Fuel Rail: Alu casted, Inside diameter 6mm (9mm in the ends)
Additional Info: sec. throttles controlled by ECU.



Make/Model: GSXR 750
Year: -98, -99
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 46mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 80-80-80mm
Overall Length: 91mm
Outside Diameter (intake): 54mm
Outside Diameter (filter): 54mm
Separate casting: Yes
Injector Make/Model: Keihin,
Flow Rate (45psi/100%): 240cc
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info: No sec. throttles.



Make/Model: GSXR 750
Year: 2002
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 42mm
Center-Center: 80mm
Overall Length: ???
Outside Diameter (intake): 48mm
Outside Diameter (filter): 52mm
Separate casting: Yes
Injector Make/Model: Keihin
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter: 2.4mm
Additional Info: sec. throttles controlled by ECU.







Make/Model: GSXR750
Year: -06
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter: 40mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: GSXR 1000
Year: -02
Number of Tb: 2
Inside Diameter: 42mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 80-80-80mm
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting: No (dual Tb´s)
Injector Make/Model: Keihin,
Flow Rate (45psi/100%): 230cc/min
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info: sec. throttles controlled by ECU.



Make/Model: GSXR1000
Year: -03
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter: 42mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: GSXR 1000
Year: -03
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: Tapers from 50 to 42mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length: 90mm
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter): 53mm
Separate casting: No (dual Tb´s)
Injector Make/Model: Keihin,
Flow Rate (45psi/100%): 230cc/min
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info: Pic without secondary butterflies and fuel rail.



Make/Model: GSXR 1300 (Busa)
Year: 1999-2003
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 46mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 80-80-80
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting: Yes
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: GSXR 1300 (Busa)
Year: pre 2002 ?
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 42mm at injector end, tappered from 51mm at air horn end
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 80-80-80
Overall Length: 90mm
Outside Diameter (intake): 55mm
Outside Diameter (filter): 53mm
Separate casting: Yes
Injector Make/Model: Keihin,
Flow Rate (45psi/100%): ?
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter: PA66-G35
Additional Info: no secondary butterfly



KAWASAKI

Make/Model: ZX6R
Year: -02
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter: 38mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: ZX6R 636 B1
Year: 2003
Number of Tb: 2
Inside Diameter: 38mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 75-75-75mm
Overall Length: 90mm
Outside Diameter (intake): 52,6mm
Outside Diameter (filter): 50,8mm
Separate casting: No (dual Tb´s)
Injector Make/Model: BOSCH 280031V
Flow Rate (45psi/100%): 245cc/min
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:



Make/Model: ZX6R
Year: -05
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 38mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail:
Additional Info: Oval TB´s

Make/Model: GPZ750 Turbo
Year:
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter: 34mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: Z1000
Year:
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter:
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: ZX10
Year: -04
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter: 43mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: GPZ1100
Year: 1981-1982
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 34mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 77-97-77mm
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake): 40mm ("serrated")
Outside Diameter (filter): 40mm ("olived")
Separate casting: Yes
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (36psi/100%): 180-200cc/min, 2,5Ω
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info: Picture is from a -82



Make/Model: GPZ1100
Year: 1983-1984
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 35mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 77-97-77mm
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake): 40mm ("serrated")
Outside Diameter (filter): 40mm ("olived")
Separate casting: Yes
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (36psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: ZX12
Year: 2002-2003
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 46mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail:
Additional Info: vier pintle injectors tot 190pk ?



YAMAHA

Make/Model: R6
Year: -03
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter: 38mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: YZF-R6
Year: 2003-2004
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 38mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 72.5-72.5-72.5mm
Overall Length: 95mm
Outside Diameter (intake): 52mm
Outside Diameter (filter): 44mm
Separate casting: Not exactly, but can be cut apart easily (fuel rail)
Injector Make/Model: Nipon, # 250031F
Flow Rate (??? psi/100%): ??? cc/min, 11.7Ω , 12mH
Injector Make/Model: Nipon, # 2500322, type: INP250/4
Flow Rate (??? psi/100%): ??? cc/min, ??? Ω
Fuel Rail: Alu casted
Additional Info:





Make/Model: R6
Year: -03
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter: 38mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: R6
Year: -05
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter: 40mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: YZF R1
Year: -04
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 45mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail:
Additional Info: Primary and secondary butterfly valves, longnose 4 pintle

Make/Model: R1
Year: -04
Number of Tb: 2
Inside Diameter: 43mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 78-78-78mm
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting: No (dual Tb´s)
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:



Make/Model: YAMAHA FJ1300
Year: 2003-2006 (US) 2001 up others
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 42mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 77-87.5-77mm
Overall Length: 95mm
Outside Diameter (intake): 52mm
Outside Diameter (filter): 46mm
Separate casting: Yes
Injector Make/Model: Keihin ??
Flow Rate:
Fuel Rail: Alu casted
Other: TB made by mikuni, uses a coolant thermowax type warmup system for high idle, no secondairy throttle. This model has 150 BHP and 99 TQ.


HONDA

Make/Model: CBR F4i
Year:
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter:
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: CBR600
Year: -03
Number of Tb:
Inside Diameter: 40mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: CBR600RR3
Year:
Number of Tb: 2
Inside Diameter: 37mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 75-75-75mm
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info: Injectors mounted in cylinderhead.



Make/Model: CBR600FSi
Year:
Number of Tb: 2
Inside Diameter: 36mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 75-75-75
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting: No (dual Tb´)
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:



Make/Model: CBR 929
Year:
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 40mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 80mm-80mm-80mm
Overall Length of casting 70mm
Outside Diameter (intake): 49mm
Outside Diameter (filter): - flat flange for airbox
Separate casting: 2 twin body castings
Injector Make/Model: ?? Marked as OK24 B
Flow Rate (45psi/100%): not sure. RUns at 50psi
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info: produces 150bhp at 11,500rpm from 74x54 929cc. 11:3.1 comp ratio, 10 litre airbox.



Make/Model: CBR900 954 Fireblade
Year: 2003
Number of Tb: 2
Inside Diameter: Tapers from 45-41mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 80-80-80
Overall Length: 77mm
Outside Diameter (intake): 50mm
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting: No (dual Tb´s)
Injector Make/Model: Denso 12 226 4490 I suspect the 226 is cc/min, as the bike is good for 150hp... 13.3 ohms
Flow Rate (45psi/100%): ?? (Std fuel pressure on bike is 50psi)
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info: Factory couplers need to be used as inside diameter is offset and not a perfect circle.



Make/Model: CBR1000
Year: -04
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 42mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%): 240-260cc/min at 43psi (unconfirmed)
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: CBR1000
Year: -06
Number of Tb: 4
Inside Diameter: 44mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (45psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

Make/Model: CBR 1100 Blackbird
Year: ??
Number of Tb: 2
Inside Diameter: 42mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind): 85-85-85mm
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting: No (dual Tb´s)
Injector Make/Model: Keihin
Flow Rate (43psi/100%): ~335cc/min, 13Ω
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:



TRIUMPH

Make/Model: DAYTONA 995i
Year: ?
Number of Tb: 3
Inside Diameter: 46mm
Center-Center (left to right from behind):
Overall Length:
Outside Diameter (intake):
Outside Diameter (filter):
Separate casting:
Injector Make/Model:
Flow Rate (43psi/100%):
Fuel Rail Inside Diameter:
Additional Info:

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[TOM]

Le 1er qui touche à Mon GEX, jle bute!